r/Bitcoin: discussion of a reported 64 BTC mixing move
reddit-64-btc-mixing-discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vg1rlc/coldcard_thief_starts_mixing_64_btc/
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comment: p1w1l4f parent: t1_p1uv3fs -author: Rabid_Mexican +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785949006 edited: false body: -No, this is no way cleans the money, it just makes checking that it is clean so extremely difficult that it's not worth it +[removed] comment: p1w24w3 parent: t1_p1tt1fc comment: p20c4bv parent: t1_p1zoe78 -author: Rabid_Mexican +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785997283 edited: 1785999210 body: -No sorry it's not - the source of the money remains illegitimate on paper whereas laundering would show it coming from a business and show the taxes being paid on it. - -Mixing can allow you to launder the money by then running it through a business - this is the laundering part. +[removed] comment: p20ii6l parent: t1_p1y2pblExtracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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The comment author changed from jkc7 to [deleted] and the comment body was replaced with [deleted].
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comment: p1tpy37 parent: t1_p1to1li -author: jkc7 +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785924039 edited: false body: -Could be possible that it’s bots or paid-off people running a campaign to refute it. - -Kinda like how they sold the ColdCards in the first place. +[deleted] comment: p1tq0qy parent: t3_1vg1rlcExtracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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The thread gained a comment asking whether blockchain tracing by agencies can follow mixed funds, or whether a one-to-two-year mix followed by slow cash-out is straightforward.
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body: Laundering +comment: p2td6m1 +parent: t1_p1ti8u0 +author: Real-Bite9293 +created_utc: 1786361151 +edited: false +body: +I’m wondering. I had the feeling that nowadays agencies were able to track quite deeply into the blockchain and would be able to track millions of transactions if needed to find someone. Is it that just as easy to mix for one or two years and then slowly cash out? + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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A new one-word comment labeled the reported 64 BTC move as laundering.
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body: With any luck, he’s got the grail already 🥂 +comment: p2jur3x +parent: t1_p1tlz6o +author: Koviera +created_utc: 1786231841 +edited: false +body: +Laundering + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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A commenter account was deleted, one comment was replaced with [removed], and two comments about cashing out and wealth transfer were removed.
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comment: p1ug5ji parent: t3_1vg1rlc -author: Just_Bluebird_5268 +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785933886 edited: false body: -It's the future of money. The ultimate safe haven asset, hyperbitcoinization is just around the corner +[removed] comment: p1ugacl parent: t1_p1u0uav edited: false body: Words nobody has ever said. - -comment: p1ugxac -parent: t3_1vg1rlc -author: riseandride69 -created_utc: 1785934119 -edited: false -body: -Yeah, it was pretty naive to think “the hacker will never be able to use/cash out” - -He will cash out allright. comment: p1uhgi4 parent: t1_p1tlimh body: Wrong -comment: p210qjd -parent: t1_p1zxjd6 -author: Just_Bluebird_5268 -created_utc: 1786009398 -edited: false -body: -Transferring wealth from the gullible into the hands of the predatory? Absolutely it works! - comment: p214fha parent: t1_p20mnr8 author: PirulaxExtracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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Several participant comments were deleted and replaced with [deleted] markers, and a new comment about the thief's grail was added.
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comment: p1tsgzl parent: t1_p1tr1ol -author: idekwutp +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785925165 edited: false body: -2010-2024, the new kids are called Gen beta now as well +[deleted] comment: p1tskwr parent: t1_p1tr1ol comment: p1ukq15 parent: t1_p1tskwr -author: idekwutp +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785935262 edited: false body: -I had a Gen alpha kid I was babysitting last week explain to me in detail what munting and felching is +[deleted] comment: p1ul12c parent: t1_p1u8von Why would they choose to take payments in dollar/euro/whatever bill if they might accidentally get radioactive bills? -comment: p1vdvj1 -parent: t1_p1v2ww6 -author: idekwutp -created_utc: 1785943124 -edited: false -body: -If the crew is your kids please do not 😭 - comment: p1vfr56 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: f08g body: Cold wallet stories +comment: p2f9r35 +parent: t1_p1uaqwm +author: New_Atmosphere_2315 +created_utc: 1786176285 +edited: false +body: +With any luck, he’s got the grail already 🥂 + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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The Reddit thread gained two new participant comments, one about non-custodial transactions and one brief topical reply.
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body: More US dollars are used for criminal activity than bitcoin. +comment: p2c1ffk +parent: t1_p2azeog +author: Some-btc-name +created_utc: 1786133735 +edited: false +body: +It's not a crime to have money or transactions outside of the banking system. What a dumb take. + +comment: p2dufx3 +parent: t3_1vg1rlc +author: Upstairs_Ad_1998 +created_utc: 1786154268 +edited: false +body: +Cold wallet stories + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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The thread gained comments on the reported $3.8 million figure, the privacy of banks versus Bitcoin, and the relative use of dollars in crime.
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They certainly didn't sweat. Very few animals have ever evolved sweat glands. +comment: p2a50jq +parent: t1_p253wbc +author: kawfeeman68 +created_utc: 1786115998 +edited: false +body: +Around $3.8M isn't too bad? + +comment: p2aybt0 +parent: t1_p27wkcg +author: RedshiftOTF +created_utc: 1786123508 +edited: false +body: +Dinosaurs didn't pee, neither do birds or reptiles. When mammals and reptiles diverged, mammals did the peeing and reptiles did not. Check it out. :) + +comment: p2azeog +parent: t1_p1zl295 +author: nerpish-inkdots +created_utc: 1786123784 +edited: false +body: +Because banks are private. If the tax man or the bank man is who you want to keep away from your money, then it’s crime. Or conspiracy. + +comment: p2b9xm0 +parent: t3_1vg1rlc +author: Intrepid_Interest912 +created_utc: 1786126484 +edited: false +body: +All your doing is lying fuck off + +comment: p2bfngu +parent: t1_p1xe8m7 +author: kennymac6969 +created_utc: 1786127955 +edited: false +body: +More US dollars are used for criminal activity than bitcoin. + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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One new comment by PsyOmega about animals sweating, an off-topic reply in the thread.
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body: Yeah, every single one. You got em! +comment: p27wkcg +parent: t1_p1wbtbl +author: PsyOmega +created_utc: 1786086501 +edited: false +body: +Every animal that drinks water has to pee. + +They certainly didn't sweat. Very few animals have ever evolved sweat glands. + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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Nine new comments (including one suggesting the attacker held keys for a long time and moved funds before the fork) and the earlier Taco Bell insult comment by Money-Addition8501 disappeared.
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body: Ah so all of the vbucks got melted down then cut and distributed. Do it 20 times and now it’s basically a new clean vbuck for everyone. -comment: p21i9rt -parent: t1_p21gsa1 -author: Money-Addition8501 -created_utc: 1786016715 -edited: false -body: -Clown 🤣 - -You wouldn’t even get a job at Taco Bell’s. - comment: p229uix parent: t1_p1zbfy3 author: NadlesKVs It is almost like capitalism, AI, crypto, and the gig economy have actually made it really easy for some shady shit to go on in the world. Its funny because it is maybe how an AI itself would operate if it wanted to secure more computing resources or distribute itself. +comment: p24a6zt +parent: t1_p214q5f +author: jonfreakinzoidberg +created_utc: 1786043274 +edited: false +body: +Some people are freaky 🤷♂️ + +comment: p24eiye +parent: t1_p20j38q +author: kawfeeman68 +created_utc: 1786044388 +edited: false +body: +Hardware vendors never ask for identifiable information that would allow them to know which public address was associated with a respective Coldcard device. This was likely an attack which was being carried out for a pretty long time. Maybe they were scanning public addresses and running an attack on the addresses over an extended or even overly extended period of time. ... They probably had the key's to the addresses in their 'pocket's for a while and decided when to actually move the funds before the fork that is occuring slowly now.. + +comment: p24fkq5 +parent: t1_p1wefwn +author: kawfeeman68 +created_utc: 1786044656 +edited: false +body: +I don't understand why they didn't have many, numerous software wallets ( OR considering the size of this 'heist' , hardware wallets ) ready to receive the funds after moving them from their vics. + +comment: p253wbc +parent: t3_1vg1rlc +author: benso87 +created_utc: 1786051039 +edited: false +body: +It would be weird if they didn't. + +comment: p263e1w +parent: t1_p1u9r1l +author: THE_RETARD_AGITATOR +created_utc: 1786061714 +edited: false +body: +this is a dumb thing a lot of people say. there's bots sure, but there's barely value in them commenting amongst us. the value is milking you for your data + +comment: p263l7f +parent: t1_p1tn3md +author: THE_RETARD_AGITATOR +created_utc: 1786061778 +edited: false +body: +uhhh, yeah. we can untangle it though + +comment: p264b7m +parent: t1_p263e1w +author: macetheface +created_utc: 1786062015 +edited: false +body: +thats what i mean. they're pushing hot/ controversial buttons trying to get people to engage. + +comment: p27jc9h +parent: t1_p1uvfaj +author: not-a-governor +created_utc: 1786080467 +edited: false +body: +Google is hard to use + +comment: p27jjph +parent: t1_p1xfe86 +author: not-a-governor +created_utc: 1786080560 +edited: false +body: +Yeah, every single one. You got em! + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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Twelve new comments (mixer mechanics explained with a vbucks analogy, speculation about how North Korea could spend the coins) and one earlier comment by BackgroundStory7986 was removed by moderators.
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comment: p1u1uqt parent: t3_1vg1rlc -author: BackgroundStory7986 +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785928981 edited: false body: -Mixing the coins might make tracking more difficult, but it doesn't automatically erase the on-chain history. It'll be interesting to see how blockchain investigators follow the funds from here. +[removed] comment: p1u26wy parent: t1_p1tu270 body: Transferring wealth from the gullible into the hands of the predatory? Absolutely it works! +comment: p214fha +parent: t1_p20mnr8 +author: Pirulax +created_utc: 1786011125 +edited: false +body: +You've dropped your vbucks into a big pile, and so did 1000 other players. +Now, mixers usually operate on a fixed output, let's say 100 vbucks/account. +So, if you deposit 1000 vbucks, you need to provide 10 accounts. +The system only keeps track of the accounts it has to send money to, not from whom it got money from. And since everyone pays into the same big pile, there's no clear relation between the input and output anywhere. +Only the mixer could track it, but that would defeat the point. + + +comment: p214izm +parent: t1_p1tlz6o +author: Pirulax +created_utc: 1786011168 +edited: false +body: +You've dropped your vbucks into a big pile, and so did 1000 other players. +Now, mixers usually operate on a fixed output, let's say 100 vbucks/account. +So, if you deposit 1000 vbucks, you need to provide 10 accounts. +The system only keeps track of the accounts it has to send money to, not from whom it got money from. And since everyone pays into the same big pile, there's no clear relation between the input and output anywhere. +Only the mixer could track it, but that would defeat the point. + + +comment: p214q5f +parent: t1_p1w0qg4 +author: Pirulax +created_utc: 1786011256 +edited: false +body: +What the fuck + +comment: p218l9q +parent: t1_p20mnr8 +author: ecrane2018 +created_utc: 1786012943 +edited: false +body: +The mixer makes it so no one can distinguish clean from dirty there is no way to distinguish the btc anymore + +comment: p21ekj8 +parent: t1_p1uftft +author: Royal_Stay_6502 +created_utc: 1786015345 +edited: false +body: +Beta? + +comment: p21gsa1 +parent: t1_p1ut0o4 +author: Plenty-Lion5112 +created_utc: 1786016168 +edited: false +body: +Yeah, definitely not in finance 😬 + +comment: p21hnfq +parent: t1_p1usffk +author: arielsskudra11 +created_utc: 1786016488 +edited: false +body: +Fair + +comment: p21huxm +parent: t1_p214fha +author: crakked21 +created_utc: 1786016565 +edited: false +body: +Ah so all of the vbucks got melted down then cut and distributed. Do it 20 times and now it’s basically a new clean vbuck for everyone. + +comment: p21i9rt +parent: t1_p21gsa1 +author: Money-Addition8501 +created_utc: 1786016715 +edited: false +body: +Clown 🤣 + +You wouldn’t even get a job at Taco Bell’s. + +comment: p229uix +parent: t1_p1zbfy3 +author: NadlesKVs +created_utc: 1786025050 +edited: false +body: +Yeah but the BTC still has to go somewhere for them to gain any value from it. They aren't selling it in the NK economy. They have to have somewhere/ someway to spend it. Obviously a Government can figure it out though. + +comment: p22b11a +parent: t1_p1tjx8j +author: opoeto +created_utc: 1786025367 +edited: false +body: +My belief is that if you are wealthy enough, none of these apply + +comment: p230khe +parent: t1_p229uix +author: TheBureauChief +created_utc: 1786031964 +edited: false +body: +Yeah, I was thinking - who knows how many ventures illicit NK crypto has funded. You would still need live persons to act as agents, but NK could theoretically own equities and all sorts of things with few and far between knowing. Though, having a real life agent would still be a dead give-away...though if NK developed a semi-anonymous 'rent-a-person' service it could be further obfuscated. + + +It is almost like capitalism, AI, crypto, and the gig economy have actually made it really easy for some shady shit to go on in the world. Its funny because it is maybe how an AI itself would operate if it wanted to secure more computing resources or distribute itself. + more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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Eight new comments, including debate over whether mixing counts as money laundering under the FATF definition and a scenario where a Coldcard insider exploits the bug and silences whale victims.
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body: People did find it and flagged it and the ceo/cto ignored it. This got blasted for being ai writing earlier today but all the things in the timeline did actually happen so it’s not just slop https://x.com/inverse\_hanlon/status/2084689208627925384 +comment: p20c4bv +parent: t1_p1zoe78 +author: Rabid_Mexican +created_utc: 1785997283 +edited: 1785999210 +body: +No sorry it's not - the source of the money remains illegitimate on paper whereas laundering would show it coming from a business and show the taxes being paid on it. + +Mixing can allow you to launder the money by then running it through a business - this is the laundering part. + +comment: p20ii6l +parent: t1_p1y2pbl +author: Ill-Party8305 +created_utc: 1786000314 +edited: false +body: +How do you track it then + +comment: p20j38q +parent: t3_1vg1rlc +author: GME_looooong +created_utc: 1786000598 +edited: false +body: +Say I work for cold card and used this exploit. I would hit whales first. Wait for them to complain to me at customer service then I can put a hit on them (paid for with bitcoin how cute) and keep my activities on the down low. You guys don’t think like ceo’s. This mass attack was probably the swan song + +comment: p20mnr8 +parent: t1_p1tur02 +author: crakked21 +created_utc: 1786002359 +edited: false +body: +But if I had good vbucks, and I got back stolen cold card vbucks, wouldn’t that be net negative for me since i got vbucks that have everyone looking at them? + +comment: p20rqux +parent: t1_p20c4bv +author: 00MacDonald +created_utc: 1786004933 +edited: false +body: +I assume you are not familiar with the FATF definition of money laundering. + +Activity as defined by the previous commenter is 100% within the scope of FATFs definition + +comment: p20yelz +parent: t1_p1uv3fs +author: Efriminiz +created_utc: 1786008265 +edited: false +body: +Wrong + +comment: p20ygnx +parent: t1_p1zoe78 +author: Efriminiz +created_utc: 1786008291 +edited: false +body: +Wrong + +comment: p210qjd +parent: t1_p1zxjd6 +author: Just_Bluebird_5268 +created_utc: 1786009398 +edited: false +body: +Transferring wealth from the gullible into the hands of the predatory? Absolutely it works! + +more-stub: parent t1_p20rqux count <live-count> + more-stub: parent t1_p1uultr count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1yhb18 count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1vg1rlc author: kingofsats created_utc: 1785919760 title: Coldcard Thief Starts Mixing 64 BTC body: [https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m](https://xcancel.com/LightningNewsX/status/2084923135174844805#m) comment: p1thp9q parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: Responsible-Jelly903 created_utc: 1785920085 edited: false body: The blender going brrrrrrrr comment: p1thwl1 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: PaintingLeft565 created_utc: 1785920183 edited: false body: Can we expect this thief to be caught soon? comment: p1ti8ne parent: t1_p1thwl1 author: Confident-Bluebird21 created_utc: 1785920347 edited: false body: The thief is CEO of ColdCard comment: p1ti8u0 parent: t3_1vg1rlc author: BigDik6355 created_utc: 1785920349 edited: false body: Good luck cashing that out. comment: p1tid8yExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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