r/Bitcoin: how to distinguish attacker drains from owners moving their own coins
reddit-attacker-versus-owner-attribution
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New comment by Lopsided_Parfait7127 hoping the attacker secured the coins with proper entropy and a passphrase.
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You are absolutely right, still proving ownership is going to be difficult. Especially in this case. Because holding the private key isn't enough anymore, hope they keep their coldcards as evidence.
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body: You are absolutely right, still proving ownership is going to be difficult. Especially in this case. Because holding the private key isn't enough anymore, hope they keep their coldcards as evidence. +comment: p22xpoc +parent: t1_p1utoan +author: Lopsided_Parfait7127 +created_utc: 1786031253 +edited: false +body: +I hope he has secured it with proper entropy and a passphrase + more-stub: parent t1_p200td9 count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1vg7lwa author: Rtxenjoyer created_utc: 1785937016 title: How do we know it was an attacker and not the owner moving their coins? body: That’s the part I’m not fully convinced about. I understand the first wave was clearly an attacker. But once Coldcard users heard the news, wouldn’t an attacker sweeping funds and an owner moving all of their funds to a safe wallet look pretty similar on-chain? Unless the owner confirms the transaction was unauthorized, shouldn’t some later cases be called suspected thefts rather than confirmed attacks? And even then, proving ownership seems difficult once the attackers also has the private keys. comment: p1urmc8 parent: t3_1vg7lwa author: VivaHollanda created_utc: 1785937242 edited: false body: Probably a lot of owners don't (didn't) even know about it, not everyone is on Reddit or other socials. Also, the attacker is using one wallet AFAIK. comment: p1ustsv parent: t3_1vg7lwa author: BmacSWMI created_utc: 1785937577 edited: false body: I think this is an interesting take. all you can do on chain is prove it moved here to there on a block. whether it was stolen or moved by the owner seems to be a he said she said argument. I will say for a fact the tales of people losing their savings has gone through the roof. I find it odd that the number of people on this sub would have such disproportionate bad luck. Maybe it’s just people jumping on for upvotes taking advantage of the situation. comment: p1ut0t4 parent: t1_p1urmc8 author: Rtxenjoyer created_utc: 1785937631 edited: false body: Alright that clears it then. I thought it was multiple attackers in the later waves of attacks. comment: p1ut425 parent: t1_p1urmc8 author: Narrow_Entrance_3169Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1vg7lwa author: Rtxenjoyer created_utc: 1785937016 title: How do we know it was an attacker and not the owner moving their coins? body: That’s the part I’m not fully convinced about. I understand the first wave was clearly an attacker. But once Coldcard users heard the news, wouldn’t an attacker sweeping funds and an owner moving all of their funds to a safe wallet look pretty similar on-chain? Unless the owner confirms the transaction was unauthorized, shouldn’t some later cases be called suspected thefts rather than confirmed attacks? And even then, proving ownership seems difficult once the attackers also has the private keys. comment: p1urmc8 parent: t3_1vg7lwa author: VivaHollanda created_utc: 1785937242 edited: false body: Probably a lot of owners don't (didn't) even know about it, not everyone is on Reddit or other socials. Also, the attacker is using one wallet AFAIK. comment: p1ustsv parent: t3_1vg7lwa author: BmacSWMI created_utc: 1785937577 edited: false body: I think this is an interesting take. all you can do on chain is prove it moved here to there on a block. whether it was stolen or moved by the owner seems to be a he said she said argument. I will say for a fact the tales of people losing their savings has gone through the roof. I find it odd that the number of people on this sub would have such disproportionate bad luck. Maybe it’s just people jumping on for upvotes taking advantage of the situation. comment: p1ut0t4 parent: t1_p1urmc8 author: Rtxenjoyer created_utc: 1785937631 edited: false body: Alright that clears it then. I thought it was multiple attackers in the later waves of attacks. comment: p1ut425 parent: t1_p1urmc8 author: Narrow_Entrance_3169Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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