r/Bitcoin: bitcoin.org still listing COLDCARD after the disclosure
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title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard
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-[Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard.
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-"Very secure environment" = GOOD
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-"Control over your money" = GOOD
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created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: -[Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. - -"Very secure environment" = GOOD - -"Control over your money" = GOOD - -Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) - - +[removed] comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5Extracted text as captured
post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [removed] comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe. comment: p1hf7ct parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785777230 edited: 1786027775 body: [deleted]Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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The thread gained a comment saying that a hardware wallet is really only needed for the last word of a seed.
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Any HW wallet is a dangerous device if the user is not paranoid enough. +comment: p2bpoqc +parent: t1_p28nwep +author: riscten +created_utc: 1786130584 +edited: false +body: +Absolutely. You really only need the hardware wallet for that last word. + more-stub: parent t1_p1m4y3j count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1lqpae count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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Two new comments by JumpProfessional3372: one praising the bitcoin.org paranoid guide, one explaining they trust small balances to a software wallet RNG but would dice-roll a seed for serious money.
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body: Corrupted compromised +comment: p28n4p6 +parent: t1_p1hol9l +author: JumpProfessional3372 +created_utc: 1786099146 +edited: false +body: +And they also have a nice paranoid guide for this. I learned a lot from that guide. + +comment: p28nwep +parent: t1_p1hbn75 +author: JumpProfessional3372 +created_utc: 1786099469 +edited: false +body: +I recently created a new wallet Blixt ligthning wallet, i just checked that it is an open source self custody wallet and I 100% trusted the wallet to randomly generate a seed. Why? Because I only have a few sats in there. I accept the risk here. + +But if I had to put money I cannot afford to lose, I would not use any RNG, I prefer rolling 100+ dices to generate the seed myself and adding a good passphrase. I would do this no matter the wallet manufacturer. + +Any HW wallet is a dangerous device if the user is not paranoid enough. + more-stub: parent t1_p1m4y3j count <live-count> more-stub: parent t1_p1lqpae count <live-count>Extracted text as captured
post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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A comment by IllllIIlIllIllllIlll about buying another hardware wallet was self-deleted: author and body now read [deleted].
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comment: p1hf7ct parent: t1_p1hbn75 -author: IllllIIlIllIllllIlll +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785777230 -edited: false -body: -Even if they stop support, people can simply buy another hardware wallet. Unless they were stupid enough to not backup their seed. +edited: 1786027775 +body: +[deleted] comment: p1hgx5k parent: t1_p1hf7ctExtracted text as captured
post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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1 new Reddit comment was posted, by phamtruax.
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body: Use a deck of card and a good passphrase. More than 256 bit entropy, and it takes only as long as you need to properly shuffle the deck and write it down. The usual bip39 tools work air gapped. +comment: p1nuxqj +parent: t3_1veine5 +author: phamtruax +created_utc: 1785855555 +edited: false +body: +Corrupted + more-stub: parent t1_p1m4y3j count 0 more-stub: parent t1_p1lqpae count 0Extracted text as captured
post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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2 new Reddit comments were posted, including SkidMarkShark,lolonaut.
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If a HW wallet has homer simpson as their CTO then it is not a safe wallet to use. +comment: p1mrese +parent: t3_1veine5 +author: SkidMarkShark +created_utc: 1785843903 +edited: false +body: +There's nothing wrong with the device only the RNG code. It's a seed signer the blockchain is the actual wallet. Don't let any device derive your seed phrase, everyone should know that. + +comment: p1n2t1n +parent: t1_p1hjred +author: lolonaut +created_utc: 1785847715 +edited: false +body: +Use a deck of card and a good passphrase. More than 256 bit entropy, and it takes only as long as you need to properly shuffle the deck and write it down. The usual bip39 tools work air gapped. + more-stub: parent t1_p1m4y3j count 0 + +more-stub: parent t1_p1lqpae count 0Extracted text as captured
post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1veine5 author: HeyDontSkipLegDay created_utc: 1785775201 title: Bitcoin.org still recommends coldcard body: [Bitcoin.org](http://Bitcoin.org) still recommends coldcard. "Very secure environment" = GOOD "Control over your money" = GOOD Sauce: [https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5](https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/coldcard/?platform=hardware&step=5) comment: p1h9sbz parent: t3_1veine5 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785775905 edited: false body: With 100+ dice rolls and a passphrase its as safe as any other wallet. Human trust is another issue, people got burned bad by a bug that affected one aspect. comment: p1hbn75 parent: t1_p1h9sbz author: riscten created_utc: 1785776360 edited: false body: Honestly at this point even using the hardware RNG is probably super safe. I would absolutely use a Coldcard. The only real risk now is that they might go under, leaving existing users with no firmware updates or warranty support. comment: p1hcdlr parent: t1_p1hbn75 author: EyesFor1 created_utc: 1785776539 edited: false body: I agree, they are, ironically, probably one of the safest wallets due to the amount of eyes on the code verifying the firmware rng entropy and dice roll function. If they go under, which they probably will then you gotta move. Its a human emotion issue now, people got burned and trust was destroyed even when the maths says its safe.Excerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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