r/coldcard: speculation on Coinkite's next steps
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They should have paid for audits...tangem has...
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body: They should have paid for audits...tangem has... -comment: p29o0un -parent: t1_p18cagf -author: Firm_Target101 -created_utc: 1786111459 -edited: false -body: -Lol smooooooooooth brain - comment: p2fxw0d parent: t1_p1bls4t author: Skinny_HumanExtracted text as captured
post: 1vd5f5h author: RevolutionaryPick241 created_utc: 1785636479 title: Coinkite next steps body: Hey Coinkite, I know you are having big troubles right now. I have many of your products. Really enjoyed them, I like the cold part of them. I'm too paranoid to trust a RNG, so I expect not being affected by your really big mistake. My question is what will be your next steps, if you somehow survive as a company or even if you don't, I suggest open sourcing your firmware and your know-how. The reason for this is that it is fast peer reviewing and bug reporting that makes an open source project big. I contribute to many open source projects but never on closed ones (even if they are source code available). A Coldcard-DIY would be a great project. And open sourcing allows the community to maintain their devices and firmware in any case. But also, I don't think your current silence about what is going on is any helpful. People are bricking their devices because of lack of trust. Saying "sorry, install this firmware and you are ok" is an insult. That is my perspective. Focus on "don't trust, verify". No one trusts you now, but that is not needed if you become a more transparent and open company, or people if your company doesn't survive. comment: p16iduc parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: ironmoosen created_utc: 1785636841 edited: false body: Yeah this is sad on multiple levels. Sad for the ones who got drained. Sad coinkite was so irresponsible. Sad because these were some of my favorite wallets. comment: p16igq6 parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: EricJDMBAMD created_utc: 1785636871 edited: false body: If i were them i would just run all their code through kimi k3. Then fire anyone who allowed exploits into the code. Let AI rewrite the code then get it verfied checked by the community and AI before even thinking about selling a product comment: p16jf0e parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: s1ammage created_utc: 1785637230 edited: false body: IMO, Coldcard (Coinkite) will be litigated into the ground comment: p16jigwExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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edited: false body: That’s like saying ‘the food in this restaurant is safe,provided you don’t eat there ’ + +comment: p2hy62q +parent: t1_p2g41w5 +author: EyesFor1 +created_utc: 1786211108 +edited: false +body: +Nah, its not. There's not need for an analogy. It is as I described it, no need for a mythical deadly ham sandwich.Extracted text as captured
post: 1vd5f5h author: RevolutionaryPick241 created_utc: 1785636479 title: Coinkite next steps body: Hey Coinkite, I know you are having big troubles right now. I have many of your products. Really enjoyed them, I like the cold part of them. I'm too paranoid to trust a RNG, so I expect not being affected by your really big mistake. My question is what will be your next steps, if you somehow survive as a company or even if you don't, I suggest open sourcing your firmware and your know-how. The reason for this is that it is fast peer reviewing and bug reporting that makes an open source project big. I contribute to many open source projects but never on closed ones (even if they are source code available). A Coldcard-DIY would be a great project. And open sourcing allows the community to maintain their devices and firmware in any case. But also, I don't think your current silence about what is going on is any helpful. People are bricking their devices because of lack of trust. Saying "sorry, install this firmware and you are ok" is an insult. That is my perspective. Focus on "don't trust, verify". No one trusts you now, but that is not needed if you become a more transparent and open company, or people if your company doesn't survive. comment: p16iduc parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: ironmoosen created_utc: 1785636841 edited: false body: Yeah this is sad on multiple levels. Sad for the ones who got drained. Sad coinkite was so irresponsible. Sad because these were some of my favorite wallets. comment: p16igq6 parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: EricJDMBAMD created_utc: 1785636871 edited: false body: If i were them i would just run all their code through kimi k3. Then fire anyone who allowed exploits into the code. Let AI rewrite the code then get it verfied checked by the community and AI before even thinking about selling a product comment: p16jf0e parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: s1ammage created_utc: 1785637230 edited: false body: IMO, Coldcard (Coinkite) will be litigated into the ground comment: p16jigwExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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comment: p18cagf parent: t3_1vd5f5h -author: ToneCapwn +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1785667092 edited: false body: -I will keep buying their product because of their open source and transparency. Ledger is not open source +[deleted] comment: p18ir6m parent: t1_p188xlt edited: false body: Lol smooooooooooth brain + +comment: p2fxw0d +parent: t1_p1bls4t +author: Skinny_Human +created_utc: 1786188349 +edited: false +body: +This should be the top comment + +All the CC fanboys in this thread, human psychology is fascinating + +comment: p2g41w5 +parent: t1_p1ajhbj +author: Skinny_Human +created_utc: 1786190879 +edited: false +body: +That’s like saying ‘the food in this restaurant is safe,provided you don’t eat there ’Extracted text as captured
post: 1vd5f5h author: RevolutionaryPick241 created_utc: 1785636479 title: Coinkite next steps body: Hey Coinkite, I know you are having big troubles right now. I have many of your products. Really enjoyed them, I like the cold part of them. I'm too paranoid to trust a RNG, so I expect not being affected by your really big mistake. My question is what will be your next steps, if you somehow survive as a company or even if you don't, I suggest open sourcing your firmware and your know-how. The reason for this is that it is fast peer reviewing and bug reporting that makes an open source project big. I contribute to many open source projects but never on closed ones (even if they are source code available). A Coldcard-DIY would be a great project. And open sourcing allows the community to maintain their devices and firmware in any case. But also, I don't think your current silence about what is going on is any helpful. People are bricking their devices because of lack of trust. Saying "sorry, install this firmware and you are ok" is an insult. That is my perspective. Focus on "don't trust, verify". No one trusts you now, but that is not needed if you become a more transparent and open company, or people if your company doesn't survive. comment: p16iduc parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: ironmoosen created_utc: 1785636841 edited: false body: Yeah this is sad on multiple levels. Sad for the ones who got drained. Sad coinkite was so irresponsible. Sad because these were some of my favorite wallets. comment: p16igq6 parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: EricJDMBAMD created_utc: 1785636871 edited: false body: If i were them i would just run all their code through kimi k3. Then fire anyone who allowed exploits into the code. Let AI rewrite the code then get it verfied checked by the community and AI before even thinking about selling a product comment: p16jf0e parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: s1ammage created_utc: 1785637230 edited: false body: IMO, Coldcard (Coinkite) will be litigated into the ground comment: p16jigwExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1vd5f5h author: RevolutionaryPick241 created_utc: 1785636479 title: Coinkite next steps body: Hey Coinkite, I know you are having big troubles right now. I have many of your products. Really enjoyed them, I like the cold part of them. I'm too paranoid to trust a RNG, so I expect not being affected by your really big mistake. My question is what will be your next steps, if you somehow survive as a company or even if you don't, I suggest open sourcing your firmware and your know-how. The reason for this is that it is fast peer reviewing and bug reporting that makes an open source project big. I contribute to many open source projects but never on closed ones (even if they are source code available). A Coldcard-DIY would be a great project. And open sourcing allows the community to maintain their devices and firmware in any case. But also, I don't think your current silence about what is going on is any helpful. People are bricking their devices because of lack of trust. Saying "sorry, install this firmware and you are ok" is an insult. That is my perspective. Focus on "don't trust, verify". No one trusts you now, but that is not needed if you become a more transparent and open company, or people if your company doesn't survive. comment: p16iduc parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: ironmoosen created_utc: 1785636841 edited: false body: Yeah this is sad on multiple levels. Sad for the ones who got drained. Sad coinkite was so irresponsible. Sad because these were some of my favorite wallets. comment: p16igq6 parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: EricJDMBAMD created_utc: 1785636871 edited: false body: If i were them i would just run all their code through kimi k3. Then fire anyone who allowed exploits into the code. Let AI rewrite the code then get it verfied checked by the community and AI before even thinking about selling a product comment: p16jf0e parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: s1ammage created_utc: 1785637230 edited: false body: IMO, Coldcard (Coinkite) will be litigated into the ground comment: p16jigwExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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edited: false body: Minus the one dumbass who made this bug + +comment: p1nrvgt +parent: t1_p16iduc +author: Solid_Wolverine1639 +created_utc: 1785854755 +edited: false +body: +Happy for the criminals... Imagine it could just be one guy... Who's got to be a certain amount of theft that should warrant capital punishment... This is more than enough of an example + +comment: p1ns5qi +parent: t1_p1akf4h +author: Solid_Wolverine1639 +created_utc: 1785854830 +edited: false +body: +What about seedless like tangem + +comment: p1nsfms +parent: t1_p1bls4t +author: Solid_Wolverine1639 +created_utc: 1785854902 +edited: false +body: +They should have paid for audits...tangem has...Extracted text as captured
post: 1vd5f5h author: RevolutionaryPick241 created_utc: 1785636479 title: Coinkite next steps body: Hey Coinkite, I know you are having big troubles right now. I have many of your products. Really enjoyed them, I like the cold part of them. I'm too paranoid to trust a RNG, so I expect not being affected by your really big mistake. My question is what will be your next steps, if you somehow survive as a company or even if you don't, I suggest open sourcing your firmware and your know-how. The reason for this is that it is fast peer reviewing and bug reporting that makes an open source project big. I contribute to many open source projects but never on closed ones (even if they are source code available). A Coldcard-DIY would be a great project. And open sourcing allows the community to maintain their devices and firmware in any case. But also, I don't think your current silence about what is going on is any helpful. People are bricking their devices because of lack of trust. Saying "sorry, install this firmware and you are ok" is an insult. That is my perspective. Focus on "don't trust, verify". No one trusts you now, but that is not needed if you become a more transparent and open company, or people if your company doesn't survive. comment: p16iduc parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: ironmoosen created_utc: 1785636841 edited: false body: Yeah this is sad on multiple levels. Sad for the ones who got drained. Sad coinkite was so irresponsible. Sad because these were some of my favorite wallets. comment: p16igq6 parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: EricJDMBAMD created_utc: 1785636871 edited: false body: If i were them i would just run all their code through kimi k3. Then fire anyone who allowed exploits into the code. Let AI rewrite the code then get it verfied checked by the community and AI before even thinking about selling a product comment: p16jf0e parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: s1ammage created_utc: 1785637230 edited: false body: IMO, Coldcard (Coinkite) will be litigated into the ground comment: p16jigwExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1vd5f5h author: RevolutionaryPick241 created_utc: 1785636479 title: Coinkite next steps body: Hey Coinkite, I know you are having big troubles right now. I have many of your products. Really enjoyed them, I like the cold part of them. I'm too paranoid to trust a RNG, so I expect not being affected by your really big mistake. My question is what will be your next steps, if you somehow survive as a company or even if you don't, I suggest open sourcing your firmware and your know-how. The reason for this is that it is fast peer reviewing and bug reporting that makes an open source project big. I contribute to many open source projects but never on closed ones (even if they are source code available). A Coldcard-DIY would be a great project. And open sourcing allows the community to maintain their devices and firmware in any case. But also, I don't think your current silence about what is going on is any helpful. People are bricking their devices because of lack of trust. Saying "sorry, install this firmware and you are ok" is an insult. That is my perspective. Focus on "don't trust, verify". No one trusts you now, but that is not needed if you become a more transparent and open company, or people if your company doesn't survive. comment: p16iduc parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: ironmoosen created_utc: 1785636841 edited: false body: Yeah this is sad on multiple levels. Sad for the ones who got drained. Sad coinkite was so irresponsible. Sad because these were some of my favorite wallets. comment: p16igq6 parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: EricJDMBAMD created_utc: 1785636871 edited: false body: If i were them i would just run all their code through kimi k3. Then fire anyone who allowed exploits into the code. Let AI rewrite the code then get it verfied checked by the community and AI before even thinking about selling a product comment: p16jf0e parent: t3_1vd5f5h author: s1ammage created_utc: 1785637230 edited: false body: IMO, Coldcard (Coinkite) will be litigated into the ground comment: p16jigwExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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