r/Bitcoin: future of ColdCard hardware and firmware design
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A comment by Individual_Gate9375 argued that ColdCard firmware cannot be forked because devices reject unsigned updates and the license would expose forkers to lawsuits.
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Break bitcoin then
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A comment by Individual_Gate9375 argued that ColdCard firmware cannot be forked because devices reject unsigned updates and the license would expose forkers to lawsuits.
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body: Break bitcoin then -comment: p2sljql -parent: t1_p2l924h -author: Individual_Gate9375 -created_utc: 1786347897 -edited: 1786348079 -body: -You can't fork the firmware because coldcards can only be updated with firmware signed by coinkite. It will refuse any other firmware. So if coinkite just dies and goes away there is no updating them ever again. These devices will end up as useless eventually because let's face it coinkite is going to go away. I doubt they will release the private key they sign the firmware with. - -Also whoever forked the firmware would open themselves up to a lawsuit because of the license coinkite uses on the firmware. You aren't allowed to use it in any other projects without permission. So they could and likely would sue due to needing money to cover the disaster. No one is going to risk their own finances forking it. - comment: p2so8oz parent: t1_p2mpx3o author: ChipNDipPlusExtracted text as captured
post: 1vjfyzv author: PoeCollector created_utc: 1786248858 title: The Future of ColdCard Hardware and Firmware body: Coinkite likely won't survive the coming litigations. NVK and Peter Gray won't regain community trust as leaders. But I think it's worth discussing why the ColdCard was a successful product line in the first place and how that design philosophy can live on. I'm not just talking about the cypherpunk aesthetic. No other wallet has the robust feature set of coldcard, especially the Q. Seed XOR, Bip-85 child seeds and deterministic passwords are open-source bitcoin features but CC are the only devices that have bothered to implement them. As for the hardware: full keyboard, QR scanner, transparent case, removable batteries, and your choice of network-disabled air gap use, or convenient USB connection to Sparrow. Nothing even comes close. There are existing CC users who don't want to give up these features, but may be faced with lack of firmware updates if the company dies. More importantly, it would be a shame if this device vanished from the market and we were only left with tiny minimalistic boxes with some basic features and a slick UI. So, what do you think is the best way forward? comment: p2l6hes parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: GoldmezAddams created_utc: 1786249686 edited: false body: Maybe a good outcome would be if/when Coinkite eventually closes shop, they sell the company / IP to someone for pennies on the dollar, and another team can try to rebuild. comment: p2l6j9x parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: Ok-Cartographer4763 created_utc: 1786249708 edited: false body: Bullis comment: p2l8pqe parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: kepalautakkau created_utc: 1786250669 edited: false body: I guess other wallets will eventually implement those features if there's enough demand comment: p2l924h parent: t1_p2l6hes author: Powerful_Beat_3601 created_utc: 1786250819 edited: falseExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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comment: p2o3oey parent: t1_p2mxm1g -author: MiguelLancaster +author: [deleted] created_utc: 1786292203 -edited: false -body: -https://web.archive.org/web/20200324055513/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/business/safe-deposit-box-theft.html +edited: 1786604709 +body: +[deleted] comment: p2o8z60 parent: t1_p2o3oey edited: false body: Break bitcoin then - -comment: p2s9ywu -parent: t1_p2o8z60 -author: MiguelLancaster -created_utc: 1786342145 -edited: false -body: -fair, but I still think it's overkill - -the main reason to keep your seed in a safety deposit box would be to prevent against burglary - -but a passphrase already alleviates that risk - -having your seed stored in a location with weekday business hours versus having it in a place accessible to you 24/7 -- the former will never be preferable, in my opinion comment: p2sljql parent: t1_p2l924hExtracted text as captured
post: 1vjfyzv author: PoeCollector created_utc: 1786248858 title: The Future of ColdCard Hardware and Firmware body: Coinkite likely won't survive the coming litigations. NVK and Peter Gray won't regain community trust as leaders. But I think it's worth discussing why the ColdCard was a successful product line in the first place and how that design philosophy can live on. I'm not just talking about the cypherpunk aesthetic. No other wallet has the robust feature set of coldcard, especially the Q. Seed XOR, Bip-85 child seeds and deterministic passwords are open-source bitcoin features but CC are the only devices that have bothered to implement them. As for the hardware: full keyboard, QR scanner, transparent case, removable batteries, and your choice of network-disabled air gap use, or convenient USB connection to Sparrow. Nothing even comes close. There are existing CC users who don't want to give up these features, but may be faced with lack of firmware updates if the company dies. More importantly, it would be a shame if this device vanished from the market and we were only left with tiny minimalistic boxes with some basic features and a slick UI. So, what do you think is the best way forward? comment: p2l6hes parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: GoldmezAddams created_utc: 1786249686 edited: false body: Maybe a good outcome would be if/when Coinkite eventually closes shop, they sell the company / IP to someone for pennies on the dollar, and another team can try to rebuild. comment: p2l6j9x parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: Ok-Cartographer4763 created_utc: 1786249708 edited: false body: Bullis comment: p2l8pqe parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: kepalautakkau created_utc: 1786250669 edited: false body: I guess other wallets will eventually implement those features if there's enough demand comment: p2l924h parent: t1_p2l6hes author: Powerful_Beat_3601 created_utc: 1786250819 edited: falseExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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post: 1vjfyzv author: PoeCollector created_utc: 1786248858 title: The Future of ColdCard Hardware and Firmware body: Coinkite likely won't survive the coming litigations. NVK and Peter Gray won't regain community trust as leaders. But I think it's worth discussing why the ColdCard was a successful product line in the first place and how that design philosophy can live on. I'm not just talking about the cypherpunk aesthetic. No other wallet has the robust feature set of coldcard, especially the Q. Seed XOR, Bip-85 child seeds and deterministic passwords are open-source bitcoin features but CC are the only devices that have bothered to implement them. As for the hardware: full keyboard, QR scanner, transparent case, removable batteries, and your choice of network-disabled air gap use, or convenient USB connection to Sparrow. Nothing even comes close. There are existing CC users who don't want to give up these features, but may be faced with lack of firmware updates if the company dies. More importantly, it would be a shame if this device vanished from the market and we were only left with tiny minimalistic boxes with some basic features and a slick UI. So, what do you think is the best way forward? comment: p2l6hes parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: GoldmezAddams created_utc: 1786249686 edited: false body: Maybe a good outcome would be if/when Coinkite eventually closes shop, they sell the company / IP to someone for pennies on the dollar, and another team can try to rebuild. comment: p2l6j9x parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: Ok-Cartographer4763 created_utc: 1786249708 edited: false body: Bullis comment: p2l8pqe parent: t3_1vjfyzv author: kepalautakkau created_utc: 1786250669 edited: false body: I guess other wallets will eventually implement those features if there's enough demand comment: p2l924h parent: t1_p2l6hes author: Powerful_Beat_3601 created_utc: 1786250819 edited: falseExcerpt only. The complete copy is held offline and backs quotations on this site. The original publication remains the canonical public source.
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