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r/Bitcoin: what to do now to secure bitcoin held on a COLDCARD

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1veuo5u/cold_card_so_what_do_i_have_to_do_to_secure_my/

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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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     2 of 2 multisig with 2 different brands of hardware wallets. Also use strong bip39 passphrases on both wallets. 
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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     2 of 2 multisig with 2 different brands of hardware wallets. Also use strong bip39 passphrases on both wallets. 
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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     I thought the best way was too move it to a hard-drive and keep in unplugged from any computers?
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    +The good thing with Trezor is that it's one of the few you shouldn't need authority to trust. It's open source, and if you are serious to verify their entropy, you could go there and test it yourself. I don't have any authority, and i didn't personally test it myself, but the fact they are fully open source, very widely used and scrutinized, and nobody has hacked it yet, is enough to give me some confidence in them.
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    +So the point I'm making is that the community needs to stop trusting claims of people that do not have technical skills making technical claims. Open source means nothing if it isn't reviewed. Nobody hacked coldcard until they did. Lack of hack is not validity. To be clear I'm not making any claims regarding the efficacy of trezor. I'm challenging you, and others to change mindset. 
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    +It was more of a logical claim. Trezor is used and scrutinized to much more widely than Coldcard, it is actually open source and people are working with their code. That already should mean something. Could something still happen? Sure. But the likelihood that it would be Trezor, given everything I see, seems pretty low. They even developed their own state-of-the-art open-source chip to rival secure element and fix its problems, while being totally open and inviting everyone to "try crack me i bet you can't" instead of partially relying on obscurity like the SE. They really look like they know their shit and are very serious about security more than the other HW makers.
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    +Logical in that all these points I said contribute to an obviously lower likelihood of it being flawed. Heuristically. If you wanted something that is seriously secure, all of these circumstances are what you would expect in such a candidate to be present, and they are present.
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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     Because it's technical and if you have no idea what you are doing you will mess up and your seed will get stolen 
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     Just keep in an exchange that offers insurance limits 🤷‍♂️. 
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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     No one is panicking about it with cash and banks because traditional commerce has had thousands of years to mature and become regulated.
     
     No one is panicking about it with cash and banks because the government and the banks ultimately own the fiat they’ve let you hold temporarily, and they have a vested interest in the stability of those systems because they rely on it to keep you and I motivated to work. 
     
    -People absolutely did lose money to scams and security issues in the early days of currency. commerce, banking and fiat, but those holes have been plugged, the legislation written, the systems progressively more centralised, customers progressively more known… you see where this is going…
    +People absolutely did lose money to scams and security issues in the early days of currency, commerce, banking and fiat, but those holes have been plugged, the legislation written, the systems progressively more centralised, customers progressively more known… you see where this is going…
     
     Part of the value of Bitcoin is its de-centralisation. With that comes some risk. If it’s outside your risk appetite, go buy indexes.
     
    
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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     This site lets you swap between all the different bitcoin layers.
     
     [https://boltz.exchange](https://boltz.exchange)
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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     Looks like Nunchuk allows multi sig taproot but not familiar with them. 
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    +It’s a second layer similar to lightning network
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    +Liquid is private and it also supports swapping back-and-forth between BTC and USDT
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    +How it’s private is it still reports that a transaction happened but it doesn’t say the coin type or the quantity.
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    +There’s a wallet called aqua wallet that supports spending liquid network bitcoin at lightning network bitcoin addresses. Doing a transaction like that is two different layers of privacy. When you send a lightning network payment, they can’t look on a block explorer and see how much you have or where it came from. Same with liquid.
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    +[https://boltz.exchange](https://boltz.exchange)
    
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    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    -What you mean is FOSS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_and\_open-source\_software). Coldcard is OSS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source\_software) — without the F. 
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    +What you mean is FOSS ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_and\_open-source\_software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software)). Coldcard is OSS ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source\_software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software)) — without the F, “buddy”.
     
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     parent: t1_p1k6do4
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     ColdCard: 40 bit entropy is one grain of sand  
     Usual 128 bit entropy is 300k earths full of sand
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    +comment: p1p73yr
    +parent: t1_p1oujx5
    +author: H5Sooner
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    +Looks like most of them where using taproot. bc1qnk4zh9qcnap2mycp56qjrgza3cc8ylrh8fecp0
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    +comment: p1p8955
    +parent: t1_p1p73yr
    +author: DreamingTooLong
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    +Taproot addresses began with:
    +
    +bc1p
    +
    +Native Segwit addresses begin with:
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    +bc1q
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    +comment: p1p8rpm
    +parent: t1_p1p8955
    +author: H5Sooner
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    +body:
    +Learned something new today. Thanks
    +
    +comment: p1p96ep
    +parent: t1_p1p8rpm
    +author: DreamingTooLong
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    +edited: 1785868653
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    +The address you provided only had 32 stolen BTC in it
    +
    +This address has 562 stolen BTC in it
    +
    +bc1qq85v2c926eg6pgxhwp6q7lf6cnsz80qs3fcu9r
    +
    +Taproot is cheaper when doing transactions that include multiple inputs. It’s also a little bit more private because it forces all transactions to look more alike. I use a platform that allows me to purchase BTC every 60 minutes and when the balance reaches a certain level, it automatically withdrawals to a taproot address on my nano x.
    +
    +comment: p1pbifi
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    +author: H5Sooner
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    +I was just checking sparrow and you can't do muli sig taproot unfortunately.
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    +comment: p1pbtll
    +parent: t1_p1pbifi
    +author: DreamingTooLong
    +created_utc: 1785868834
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    +body:
    +Oh, OK
    +
    +Then it’s no different than using electrum on tails OS unless you have your own node running
    +
    +comment: p1pclj4
    +parent: t1_p1pbtll
    +author: H5Sooner
    +created_utc: 1785869031
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    +Looks like Nunchuk allows multi sig taproot but not familiar with them. 
    
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    post: 1veuo5u
    author: sunnysideupslide
    created_utc: 1785802575
    title: Cold card - so what do I have to do to secure my btc 100%
    body:
    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
    comment: p1jzxuv
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    author: indomitus1
    created_utc: 1785802806
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
    comment: p1k00f9
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    author: crusadersandwich
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
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    author: s1ammage
    created_utc: 1785803061
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
    comment: p1k0q53
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: beatthebook2x
    created_utc: 1785803062
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     Taproot is very easy on sparrow.
     
     I’m kind of curious how many people that lost all their BTC on coldcard were using taproot addresses. Probably very few. The bots that were sweeping people clean were probably looking at their native segwit addresses.
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    +comment: p1p44wx
    +parent: t3_1veuo5u
    +author: MrDryGuy_
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    +ColdCard: 40 bit entropy is one grain of sand  
    +Usual 128 bit entropy is 300k earths full of sand
    
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    post: 1veuo5u
    author: sunnysideupslide
    created_utc: 1785802575
    title: Cold card - so what do I have to do to secure my btc 100%
    body:
    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
    comment: p1jzxuv
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    author: indomitus1
    created_utc: 1785802806
    edited: false
    body:
    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
    comment: p1k00f9
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: crusadersandwich
    created_utc: 1785802830
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
    comment: p1k0q0a
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: s1ammage
    created_utc: 1785803061
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
    comment: p1k0q53
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: beatthebook2x
    created_utc: 1785803062
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     Great insight here. A couple months from now I expect to read many stories about “moved my coins to x, now I can’t access them for reasons”
    +
    +comment: p1oujx5
    +parent: t1_p1k9px9
    +author: DreamingTooLong
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    +You can do the same thing with electrum built-in on tails OS
    +
    +I like sparrow more though, because it allows me to easily connect to my own node and I can’t quite figure out how to generate a taproot address on tails OS electrum.
    +
    +Taproot is very easy on sparrow.
    +
    +I’m kind of curious how many people that lost all their BTC on coldcard were using taproot addresses. Probably very few. The bots that were sweeping people clean were probably looking at their native segwit addresses.
    
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    post: 1veuo5u
    author: sunnysideupslide
    created_utc: 1785802575
    title: Cold card - so what do I have to do to secure my btc 100%
    body:
    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
    comment: p1jzxuv
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: indomitus1
    created_utc: 1785802806
    edited: false
    body:
    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: crusadersandwich
    created_utc: 1785802830
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
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    author: s1ammage
    created_utc: 1785803061
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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    author: beatthebook2x
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     The seed still has a lot more entropy than a passphrase unless you make that passphrase really huge. If you really don't want to rely at all on a Hw entropy would would use the dice. Though I'm confident that Trezor has a pretty reliable entropy already.
    +
    +comment: p1odvwy
    +parent: t1_p1k6do4
    +author: curiousengineer601
    +created_utc: 1785860419
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    +body:
    +Great insight here. A couple months from now I expect to read many stories about “moved my coins to x, now I can’t access them for reasons”
    
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    post: 1veuo5u
    author: sunnysideupslide
    created_utc: 1785802575
    title: Cold card - so what do I have to do to secure my btc 100%
    body:
    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
    comment: p1jzxuv
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: indomitus1
    created_utc: 1785802806
    edited: false
    body:
    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    author: crusadersandwich
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    body:
    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
    comment: p1k0q0a
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: s1ammage
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
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    author: beatthebook2x
    created_utc: 1785803062
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     safest way is to create your own  cryptographic hash function and then make your own cryptocurrency
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    +author: One-Adhesiveness-138
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    +A 2 min Google search will give you such answers.
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    +I'm afraid if you require such spoonfeeding then self custody may not be your best option.
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    +comment: p1mhv16
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    +author: CiaranCarroll
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    +I like Cold Card Q for this. Combined with Ian Coleman's website (and probably others) I can verify core functionality works, minimises trust in developers.
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    +Mine worked exactly as intended.
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    +comment: p1n7dmj
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    +author: skr_replicator
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    +The seed still has a lot more entropy than a passphrase unless you make that passphrase really huge. If you really don't want to rely at all on a Hw entropy would would use the dice. Though I'm confident that Trezor has a pretty reliable entropy already.
    
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    post: 1veuo5u
    author: sunnysideupslide
    created_utc: 1785802575
    title: Cold card - so what do I have to do to secure my btc 100%
    body:
    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
    comment: p1jzxuv
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    author: indomitus1
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    author: crusadersandwich
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
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    author: s1ammage
    created_utc: 1785803061
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
    comment: p1k0q53
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: beatthebook2x
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    post: 1veuo5u
    author: sunnysideupslide
    created_utc: 1785802575
    title: Cold card - so what do I have to do to secure my btc 100%
    body:
    After the cold card debacle I want to move away from any device that generates the seed phrase itself. I’m currently using Trezor simply because it was easy to set up and use. 
    
    With this recent hack I’ve realised it’s foolish to trust a company to keep my crypto safe. I need to really get into it and learn how to secure my bitcoin.
    
    So what do I have to do to 100% secure my bitcoin against malicious actors?
    
    comment: p1jzxuv
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: indomitus1
    created_utc: 1785802806
    edited: false
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    I will look after it for you. Trust me bro
    
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    author: crusadersandwich
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    Create a new wallet, roll dice for each word of your BIP39 seed phrase and then move your BTC to the new wallet
    
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    author: s1ammage
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    The only things that was 100% are death and taxes…
    
    comment: p1k0q53
    parent: t3_1veuo5u
    author: beatthebook2x
    created_utc: 1785803062
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