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r/Bitcoin: whether self-custody is still the right advice for non-technical holders

reddit-self-custody-custodian-debate

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ve9or3/live_view_of_older_folks_that_had_bitcoin_on/

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 Went to the Schwab ETF years ago and sleep well every night 
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 lol @ all the retards who spammed "not your keys not your coins" for years to now own keys but not own any coins anymore xd
 
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 Sam Bankman fried me.
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 I鈥檓 not a boomer,but live a catastrophically busy life. ADHD maxing and multi hobby while also trying to start a farm and work full time shift work. I could never invest the brain time to self custody. Custodian has been best for me up until now. 
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 lol @ all the retards who spammed "not your keys not your coins" for years to now own keys but not own any coins anymore xd
 
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 hey when you got a beefcake on the block to try attract attention, got to do what you got to do
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 RFK Jr?
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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     I didn't set one up until I heard of this ColdCard nonsense... Foolish of me yes, but it's quite easy and your security greatly increases. 
 
 On top of that, not forgetting the 25th word is as simple as writing down that made up word/term/phrase/numbers on the same paper given to you by your wallet brand with the other 24 words on it. 
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

comment: p1f87ak
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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently". - Warren Buffett.   That old man was right, look at the Cold Card situation.  Also, mature adult men know you don't have to yell, you can whisper something and if what you have to say is important - people will listen.  All good thought, we like watching idiot kids make dumb mistakes we already learned from.  =)
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+He's CoinBASE'd
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+I didn't set one up until I heard of this ColdCard nonsense... Foolish of me yes, but it's quite easy and your security greatly increases. 
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+On top of that, not forgetting the 25th word is as simple as writing down that made up word/term/phrase/numbers on the same paper given to you by your wallet brand with the other 24 words on it.
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    post: 1ve9or3
author: TrueRead1435
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title: Live view of older folks that had Bitcoin on exchanges cos they couldn't figure out hardware wallets
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

comment: p1f6byt
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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

comment: p1f87ak
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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 Its honestly unfathomable to me that people still use wallets with no custom passphrase
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+"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently". - Warren Buffett.   That old man was right, look at the Cold Card situation.  Also, mature adult men know you don't have to yell, you can whisper something and if what you have to say is important - people will listen.  All good thought, we like watching idiot kids make dumb mistakes we already learned from.  =)
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author: TrueRead1435
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title: Live view of older folks that had Bitcoin on exchanges cos they couldn't figure out hardware wallets
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 How many did you lose 
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+Its honestly unfathomable to me that people still use wallets with no custom passphrase
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author: TrueRead1435
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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 "Grandpa figured out Bitcoin before hardware wallets figured out Grandpa."
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+Let鈥檚 not forget that exchanges have had their moments too: Cryptopia, QuadrigaCX, Mt Giz, FTX. 
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+With significantly higher losses than the current running total from the coldcard debacle. 
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+Choose wisely, risk is everywhere.
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+How many did you lose?
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+Problem is trust. You don't only have to trust that your custodian has the security on point, you also have to trust they hold the BTC in the first place. And your government that you still can legally withdraw your BTC. There are lots of reasons. That said in reality most people probably won't have issues on exchanges.
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+The coldcard disaster also was enabled by trust. In the product, in the community verifying the code.
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+But we can't forget that technically the coins on exchanges are not better secured than coins in self custody. Hopefully better than the average setup, but the highest level of security there is, ignoring quantum at this point, can also be achieved by individuals.
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+Can you recommend a bean ETF?
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+Umm.. I got in before anyone bought a pizza.
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+Agreed. I went with Coinbase since they are publicly traded and heavily regulated. Not 100% safe, but I feel better vs a private exchange. 
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+How many did you lose
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author: TrueRead1435
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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

comment: p1f6byt
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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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author: buylandandB3
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body:
What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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genuine question: if someone isn't technical, is self-custody still the best advice, or is there room for trusted custodians?

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There are many manuals dumped down for dump people. If even this is to much, maybe a custodian is indeed the right choice. But look this up: How many coins lost due to failing custodians? 

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Why Bitcoin if not self custody? 

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author: buylandandB3
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body:
What about those that got a ledger and never connected it or typed the seed phrase into a live device. 

Just wrote it on paper 7 years ago and just send to it every so often.  馃挭馃徎 

comment: p1f87ak
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N茫o tem segredo. Instala do zero uma trustwhalet ja cria o backup das frases na hora e anota em papel. Guarda o papel. Cria uma l贸gica e salva na sua cabe莽a muda a sequencia das palavras com a l贸gica que voc锚 criou.

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