extreme paranoia with hardware wallets

stackernews-2023-hww-paranoia

Organisation: Stacker News
Evidence role: Community discussion
Published: 2023-10-25
Source changes: 0
Detected differences: 2
Unreviewed: 0
Copies held: 3

lloyddunne in October 2023, praising the COLDCARD yet naming seed-generation trust as the thing that kept them up at night, and proposing normalised offline seed generation with dice and independent checksum verification. A contemporaneous pre-incident record that the concern behind the July 2026 incident was already being discussed, alongside reddit-entropy-warning-october-2023. Captured through the site's public GraphQL API: the rendered pages crash the capture tab, and the API answers POST from this host. The query fixes the captured surface to the item's title, text and two levels of comments, each with author and absolute timestamp.

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          {
            "createdAt": "2023-10-25T23:08:21.329Z",
            "text": "I think dice rolls are pretty good. Put them in a box and move and spin the box like crazy for 1 week. Then you have a random number 😃",
            "user": {
              "name": "quark"
            }
          },
          {
            "createdAt": "2026-08-06T23:04:31.918Z",
            "text": "I created what is hopefully a straightforward dice-to-seed-phrase worksheet. Check it out.\n\n[http://bitcoinhandson.com/dice](http://bitcoinhandson.com/dice)\n\nI'd love to get some feedback on it, in terms \n\n\\- is it easy to follow? \n\\- any holes in the logic?\n\nHere's the first page (instructions and worksheet at the end).\n\n![](https://m.stacker.news/151138)",
            "user": {
              "name": "BitcoinHandsOn2"
            }
          },
          {
            "createdAt": "2026-08-07T05:52:53.033Z",
            "text": "\"I know you can do dice rolls and all that but you are still trusting that it is a genuine random seed that is being generated.\"\n\nWhat exactly are you 'trusting'? That physics works correctly in your apartment? Even if dice is not ideally balanced it is not a big deal.\n\nIf you refer to 'does device use the rolls I typed in?' question - with seedsigner you can verify it yourself. They publish code that reproduces deterministic on-device process and you can verify that for given rolls you get given address.",
            "user": {
              "name": "CruncherDefi"
            }
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          {
            "createdAt": "2026-08-06T23:38:29.122Z",
            "text": "Nice find!",
            "user": {
              "name": "OT"
            }
          },
          {
            "createdAt": "2023-10-25T21:32:58.941Z",
            "text": "That's why I made this: https://21baller.com/\n\nTotally trustless seed generation\n\nCheck back in a week or so and we should have our btcpay server back up",
            "user": {
              "name": "DeltaClimbs"
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