Cold Card Retirement Attack?
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The GraphQL response reordered an existing comment and the discussion gained a new reply saying the historical material did not age well.
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- 2026-08-04
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UncleJim21 asking whether the incident resembles the vendor's historical “retirement attack” concept. Documents post-incident scrutiny of earlier COLDCARD material, alongside coldcard-retirement-attack-claim and reddit-retirement-attack-resurfaced. Any implication of intent is speculation by the posters, not evidence, and is not endorsed here. Captured through the site's public GraphQL API: the rendered pages crash the capture tab, and the API answers POST from this host. The query fixes the captured surface to the item's title, text and two levels of comments, each with author and absolute timestamp.
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The GraphQL response reordered an existing comment and the discussion gained a new reply saying the historical material did not age well.
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The Stacker News thread gained a new comment saying the scale of the disaster made its author sympathize with NVK psychologically.
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The Stacker News thread gained a reply speculating about the on-chain consolidation pattern.
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The Stacker News thread gained a new comment saying its author now supports the retirement-attack theory.
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"text": "Biggest argument against it is they should also be sophisticated enough to know there's no great way to wash those coins, might be the most toxic coins ever with customers all over the globe and therefore law enforcement risk anywhere you go. \n\nThe business destroyed and potential legal costs likely outweigh whatever small amounts that could be dripped out at a time. \n\nAround the time of that post he had a hair across his ass for Foundation, who had only recently pivoted from shitcoin scamming. Understandable. The persona fits someone who believed in what they were selling more than just marketing, but was ultimately just too busy huffing their own farts.", "user": { "name": "justin_shocknet" + } + }, + { + "createdAt": "2026-08-04T20:35:42.952Z", + "text": "Update: I am now on team Retirement Attack:\n\n\n\n\n@justin_shocknet", + "user": { + "name": "UncleJim21" } }, {Extracted text as captured
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The Stacker News thread gained a new comment alleging an inside job.
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